Is it amusing or sad that it took so many years for me to notice this peculiar, and quite possibly intentional thing about #braille? I only started figuring it out yesterday, rolling the new braille d20 around in my hands.
So, on this d20, numbers from 1 to 10 are represented with letters from a through j, and numbers from 11 to 20 with k through t.
K is an a but with the dot #3 on top. L is b but with dot #3. M is c but with dot #3. N-d, o-e, p-f, q-g, r-h, s-i, t-j.
The pattern is constant. The second 10 letters in the English braille alphabet are the same as the first 10, but with the dot #3 added on top. All of them!
Then u. A, but with dots #3 and #6. V, b but with #3 and #6. W ... uh, j but with #6 ... you know what, fuck w. It has a weird name anyway. X is c but with #3 and #6, y is like that but for d, and z is like that but for e.
So if w looked like x, if everything was moved backward, then z would look like 1-2-3-4-6. Like the & sign.
Would that reality be better? Probably not, at least in my case. After all, then ž, one of the letters in the Slovenian alphabet, could not look like a backwards z, because that would be a y. But still, it is a possible reality we might've had.
Well, it's definitely nice that this is getting so much attention from sighted people, even though it likely doesn't make any sense to them at all. I am glad you appreciate my enthusiasm, Fedifriends! 😀
@Mayana it was hard to get from those toots alone if what you are describing is a positive or negative thing. I got it later from the thread that it's a pattern that helps in memorizing, but only in english. I hope I got that right.
@luka Ah, sorry for the confusion!
Well, for the most part, it just *is* a thing. A neutral pattern, cool to me just because I noticed it. Because apparently these dots aren't assigned nearly as randomly as I thought. 🙂
But yes, this does also make memorizing letter placement a little easier. So that, s great, too!
@Mayana This makes me so curious! Although, it's like every other language that I probably won't be able to learn.
@arefgee Well, it's not a language, just a different writing system. Same words, but different letters. I don't know if that makes it easier, or harder.
@Mayana Yeah, I understand. That's what I meant. Since it's laid out differently, it feels new.
I'm struggling right now to learn to read and write a language I have always spoken; and the alphabet feels completely new to me.
@arefgee Well, it's actually very simple. Here, let me help:
A has 1 dot.
B has 2 dots.
C also has 2 dots.
D has 3.
E has 2.
Do you get it yet? 😇
But less jokingly, I can definitely understand how this would be hard to someone learning it when older. Especially since I assume you are learning it from pictures you see on the internet, not actually having it there in front of you -- while a lot of sighted people learn to read it that way, braille is not actually meant to be read by looking at it. 🙂
@Mayana holy crap. that blew my mind. You're totally right. Why did I never notice?
@talon I'm not the only one!
I guess I can blame it on learning the Slovenian alphabet first. The order there is different (a š after the s, no q, etc.), so these rules don't really apply anymore. But in English, it's perfectly constant. Really awesome!
@ColinTheMathmo Well damn, serves me right for not looking such a basic thing up! This makes a whole lot of sense now. A shame that, beyond the very basics, teachers never made much of an effort to teach us the history of braille.
Thank you for sharing ... even or especially since it is something that I really should've checked on my own. 😂
@Mayana These are the sorts of things I've played with a lot, ad if it's comparatively new then it's not the sort of thing you think to look up.
No harm, no foul.
It is interesting, and there could be a lot more structure, but in truth, if you learn Braille or Morse or similar then you have to program your brain for them ... decoding them via patterns only works in the very short term, and never to fluency.
@ColinTheMathmo True. But it if you already know braille otherwise, this is a neat thing to also keep in mind. Makes it much easier to remember a letters position in the alphabet if you, like me, are bad at that otherwise.
@Alonealastalovedalongthe Well, it is and it isn't. Reading on paper is far more enjoyable exactly because of this, because of the feeling of multiple lines of text beneath your hands. It also gives a far better idea of text shape in regards to paragraphs and such.
But multi-line braille displays wouldn't be easy to combine with a keyboard in a way that was comfortable, and they'd be much less portable.
When using a braille display with a computer, you need it to not be too big so that you'll still be able to reach over it to the keyboard, and when using it alone as a note-taker (with braille input), you want it to be as portable as possible, so it can do its job of being a notepad well. so there likely wouldn't be enough interest in a multi-line braille display to justify producing it. These things are expensive.
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