Daily reminder that for many blind people, #Apple is the most useful and productive mobile operating system. It's not that Android is hard to use, but when text selection, especially on the web and in email, is from hard to impossible, and when one cannot spell check what they've written, and typing is either a minor annoyance (braille (input not registering sometimes) onscreen keyboard (very slow usually) external keyboard (yet another device to manage)), you begin to understand why people who don't enjoy customization, or getting the "most" out of a device choose iOS, especially for accessibility, and the AI of image recognition and such. And FOSS phones, like the PinePhone, won't be accessible until Orca/ATSPI can communicate with touch screens, and that won't happen without developers.
So, when you get that urge to say "I told you so you Apple sheeple, you should have been using FOSS!" Try to remember that some people don't have much of a choice.
@devinprater Very true. I don't want an Apple device myself, but it's very suitable for some situations. I work for a large school board, and iPads are everywhere, especially in elementary schools and especially for special-needs students. Apple also allows more centralized control over devices, which is a perfect fit.
@devinprater People ought to learn to punch up, not down. It's a big big failure of this community to not be able to do that.
@devinprater Also, for non-tech people, sometimes it's been easier to recommend iOS. Apple's recent moves (which I still hope they may reconsider?) still doesn't change the fact that regular Android is still generally less privacy-respecting.
@praveen I don't think I ever said that there aren't people who have choice. I began and ended this post talking about blind people like *me*. And yeah, some blind people who are great with technology, especially those who know how to code and who could help make things better, should be using Android and helping bring more choice to those like me, who do not know how to code. But yeah there are definitely people who have the choice. That doesn't make the lack of choice by people with disabilities, particularly sensory disabilities, any better at all.
Also contributions is not limited to people who can code, there are so many ways for people to contribute in general (not specific to orca support). Convincing more people to care about Free Software and privacy don't need so much technical skills. So some of the people who you help convince may have coding skills, also many developers appreciate donations.
@devinprater This is also true for other accessibility issues. Apple did the work where others didn't, sad as it may be.
@devinprater yeah, I have partial vision loss and Apple is just a lot better in working practice for that. It’s not impossible for me to switch, but it means going to a system where disability access is seen as someone else’s problem and not a core feature.
@devinprater Thanks for this. Keep sharing your perspective - it helps. Even when it seems not to, and even if any single post attracts more negative and/or irrelevant comments than good ones (or at all).
@devinprater you're absolutely right and it's important that Apple gets all the criticism it deserves (and this time it's really needed) without users having to take the blame.
@devinprater Maybe an unpopular opinion: This is still no reason to use Apple devices.
Imagine the only food someone serves you is poisoned. Then you'll say, "I won't eat it" and not "I am hungry and have no other choice, so better poisoned food than no food at all."
Not using something bad is always an option. Even when there is no alternative, there is always the alternative to use nothing at all instead of using something bad.
@allo This is definitely a choice one can make. And maybe if more blind people jump to Android, Google will take notice and help more, or blind programmers may step up and do their part. Or, even better, contribuors to AOSP step up and do even better than a few blind programmers can. But in your scenario, the person will die either way.
@devinprater The scenario was a bit incomplete. The argument is usually a comparision with a school canteen. where you can either hunger (and eat at home later) or eat bad meat.
But the point is: When option X is bad, the first step is not using X.
The next step is to replace X by something that does the same in a better way, if there is such a thing.
The prime example here is not having Facebook. You can't replace it completely, but there are some not so popular alternatives. Like Mastodon.
@devinprater And this would be a nice selling point for Android alternatives, when they provide better a11y than Android.
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