Scuttlebutt seems really nice, but I have a feeling that for it to become popular it has to be less convoluted and confusing for the potential end-user who's not a technical genius. It makes sense to those of us who deal with this stuff often, but I'm pretty sure I'd have the hardest time trying to explain it to my mom for example.

@talon even being a hi-tec, my experience was install -> system bloat of doom -> uninstall having used twice.

@feonixrift I mean I can't say I'm not confused either. I don't actually know what's going on or if it's working correctly. And bloat how? From it downloading literally all the info from the pubs you connect to to your computer?

@talon Someone told me a pub, i tried to connect, my resource use exploded, I gave up. I have nfi what it tried to do.

@feonixrift Hmm, so far that didn't happen to me. I'm just trying to connect to all the public pubs they list on their website. No idea if I'm doing this right though. And that's exactly my problem.

@talon I just wanted to connect to one person? But apparently we couldn't even see each other without both being on the same pub, so I had to subscribe to one and ... yeah no, it was a fiasco.

@feonixrift I actually managed to connect to a few random people but it's a very, very dead place it seems.

@talon I wanted to be there .. i want to be everywhere. but there are so many wheres, and so little there, and .. yeah :(

@talon when I already seem to have an entire chat app per one or at most two contacts...

@feonixrift wow their accessibility on Patchwork is awful. Yeah I think that ends my explorations. :(

@talon :( So tired of software putting accessibility on the wish list instead of the 0.1 release.

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@feonixrift It's still surprising how many developers seem to either be ignorant or really just don't know about accessibility. Although I guess it really does have to be ignorance because I didn't think it was possible to be a developer for years and never hear about it. I dunno. Meh, Patchwork sucks.

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@talon I'm ignorant as a developer. :( Mostly I use very standard well-established libraries, try to add all text cues that anything lets me, and /hope/. I really need to get better about it myself.

@feonixrift For the most part it's not that hard. Use standard controls as much as you possibly can and that gets you about 75% there already I would say. Of course it also kind of depends on the platform you use and the program you're making.

@talon :heart_cyber:​ I'm sorry so many devs are inconsiderate and sloppy.

@feonixrift That's fine. It's OK to make mistakes or not know. I'd happily talk it through and make someone aware that it's important and help fix the broken. Because usually it's really not hard :) and a lot do actually listen.

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