I'm just wondering, if Mozilla keeps talking so much about taking your privacy seriously, that you need to stay secure and private on the internet, then why do they have settings that they could use to track you enabled by default? Don't make no sense.

Also if people bash Brave so much, then why is it the browser that doesn't? I have to admit I didn't do thorough research here, but it does indeed appear that way. Am confused.

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@talon I use (and love) Brave. It's basically the Google Chrome for mentally-functioning people. I guess people hate Brave because of their BAT token.

Justified? No. But it's always cool to hate on things just for the sake of it.

@0x07 i think People also hate on it because of Brendan and awful things he did. But as it stands I also still use that browser because it works, it actually keeps quiet about what I do, and it doesn’t yell at me for not using the attention tokens so that’s ok with me.

@0x07 @talon mmm, if you are going to choose a chromium based option and can't access to ungoogled-chromium (or you are annoyed to being to update it manually) and you want mostly all features than just the minimum provided by other like falkon or similar, brave should be considered the best option. last year i recommended it to some people.

@ELR @0x07 fair enough. The main point wasn’t about brave though. I can see why people are polarized. But how come people love Mozilla and chant their privacy songs when their default isn’t even private?

@talon @0x07 idk, last year I recommended to use the tweaks recommended in

@ELR @0x07 what a mess. But this clearly still shows my main point. In order to be private and secure with Firefox you still need user mods, according to them.

@ELR @talon Brave is an excellent choice, much better than ungoogled chromium. Brave and Vivaldi want to open an alternative to the Google Chrome after Google started pulling adblockers from it.

And BAT is a great idea too.

@0x07 i guess people also hate on it for using chromium, but if everyone did the “rignt” thing and used FireFox then we would have the same problem except with Mozilla having the monopoly instead of Google.

@talon Brave is doing sketchy stuff with ads. An ad blocker works much better.

@talon They're also sending all your DNS to cloudflare if you're in the US by default so...

@pitermach @talon to be fair there's a legal agreement saying cloudflare can't do anything dodgy with it

@jookia @pitermach But when have legal agreements ever stopped anyone... :(

@jookia @pitermach especially when the legal people start knocking and requesting all the data. Gag order, all your logs are with them now, and I don't think it's end-to-end encrypted? That would mean that we're right back at square one, or am I wrong?

@talon @jookia @pitermach This was actually the reason why I am not on good terms with Mozilla. They advocate for something which is not entirely in line with how their browser works. I don't trust "legally binding" anything, as it's just an after-effect, a negative consequence should something happen. Preventing something from happening is always a better option, even if it can't be achieved at all times.

@talon @pitermach That's a waaay different threat model and one that neither using your ISP's DNS or CloudFlare's DNS will fix.

@jookia @talon @pitermach Of course. What I mean is, there are ways of fixing it, via running your own DNS server for example. But for people to be even aware of these things, transparency is key. I don't think Mozilla is inherently bad, especially when privacy means so little to bigger companies, but it's not perfect. I don't know if it's just me, but it used to be way better about this issue a few years ago.

@talon Telemetry and stuff? I'm pretty sure that's used for improving Firefox

@jookia Browsing history, push notifications, all of those assign you a unique ID that can be used to track you unless you explicitly disable it afaik.

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