It's sad that at this point I'm almost happy to see Electron apps simply because it means that the chance it'll be at least somewhat accessible are just so much higher.
So many new UI frameworks coming out, none of which are accessible. More and more "native" apps just... don't work anymore.
Also... I guess native means something else to me than it does to most UI devs. I wouldn't call drawing directly to the screen a native UI. Sure it might be nice and comfy and allow for beautiful coding patterns like stateless UI composition but that stuff's useless if I can't use it. Please keep this in mind when developing your latest and greatest native app using the latest and greatest new immediate mode GUI framework. Not a single one of them will be accessible. And if you're a dev working on one, please think of us.
A lot of people usually comment things like: "It should be the screen readers responsibility to figure out what's on screen. Do some OCR and image recognition and whatever and boom!"
Think about it. That won't work. Not only are there many different fonts that OCR just simply cannot read, but also things like interacting with those controls present a major hurtle at that point. Is it a checkbox, a button, or a button checkbox hybrid? Is it a slider? Is this a fancy button or a turnable knob? What about scrolling text?
Is this syntax highlighting or spelling errors or both? Or does it just mean I selected something? What about if I use another app? We can infer what things mean from context, but can OCR and image recognition? Does it know this is a code editor or a text editor? What if it's Emacs and it's literally everything?
This is why accessibility API's exist. There's a lot of context that would be lost if there was just OCR and image recognition.
@secretlySamantha I understand both sides to a degree. Accessibility API's and accessibility in general can be difficult to wrap your head around, especially if they provide no benefit to you as the developer. Even as someone that needs them I'm still regularly confused by how it all works, especially in a cross platform manner. Luckily I was made aware of https://www.accesskit.dev which hopes to solve this problem and I really hope people will pick it up.
Still, the fact that web tech based apps are usually more accessible than "native" apps is somewhat disappointing.
@talon Here's the thing though it does give you a benefit as a developer. Because if your GUI is easier to read for computers then it's much much easier to test properly which devs should be and in most cases are already doing. I'm really surprised that people don't seem to realise this. (sorry if I'm being a bit intense, this is not necessarily directed at you, it's just a thing that really confuses me)
@talon again, sorry if I'm being a bit intense, I really do just agree with pretty much all of your points. it does feel very weird that web apps are somehow at the forefront
@secretlySamantha No worries. I mean you're right. It would help with testability and usability both. It's an excuse for sure, especially for well established GUI frameworks and libraries.
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